Wolves Cooperate Dogs Submit!
I wanted to share an article I read on science.org. I speak a little bit on how they test higher ranking and lower ranking dogs and wolves and their conclusion. They do a much better, more detailed explanation, but I share a general summary. 🐺 ❤️ 🐾

https://www.science.org/content/article/wolves-cooperate-dogs-submit-study-suggests

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32 Comments

  1. This hierarchy stuff is such a pain with dogs. Always causes completely nonsensical conflict. I just want them to get along, there is enough food for all of them. I always get sad when they start fighting over thair imaginary hierarchy 🙁

  2. Maybe it's for survival purposes since wolves are pack animals who can only take down large prey as a team, dogs are mostly kept as 1 individual with humans making them prone to resource guarding

  3. We never had any problems in hierarchy concerning feeding.
    The alpha female was the fastest eater and she always waited for the rest to finish before picking up the crumbs and licking the bottom out of the food trays. Which sounded like church on Sunday. I just got one male WD now. 🐺

  4. The problem with these sorts of studies comparing dog and wolf group behavior is that unless you are comparing captive, unrelated wolves to captive, unrelated dogs, the comparison is pretty meaningless. Wolf packs are made up of offspring. Of course they share, because every member of the pack that survives spreads the genes of that lineage, and so the evolutionary pressures are obvious for the development of that and many other examples of cooperative behavior in social mammals. Unrelated dogs behave selfishly precisely because they are unrelated. Dogs and captive, unrelated wolves almost certainly behave exactly the same way. It's important to reiterate this fact over and over: dogs are not descended from the wolves that exist today. The wolves, smaller wolves (like coyotes and jackals,) and domestic dogs are descended from a common ancient, extinct wolf ancestor. Such a significant shift in a species' cooperative behaviors within just a few tens of thousands of years is extremely unlikely, which means the actual explanation is never some difference of instinct but a difference of the social conditions the animal lives in.

  5. I haven't read the study, but what immediately strikes me is the assumption that they haven't compared 'like-for-like' as per domesticated wolves compared to domesticated dogs, or pack wolves compared to pack dogs.

    The assumed social order would have massive influence on the noted behaviour.

  6. I think with Dogs it depends on the dogs but I feel wolves are a pack thinking and are willing to share as equals.

  7. with wolves, at least in an enclosure situation i think it depends if the pack leader is a good leader, or a bad one…in the case of a good one, no problem….but sometimes the lead female isn't comfortable in her role and needs to do a lot of bullying to the lower ranking wolves….in that case feeding has to be done more carefully so the lead wolf is still eating hers when the others have had alll theirs, so that she doesn't chase them off etc.

  8. Dogs tend to obey human heirarchy because of domestication. Wolf Packs are different. They tend to feed from the kill as a group because there is space, because they may be interrupted by another predator and because it helps divide up the carcass so they can take their own piece for later.

  9. Live and Let live…. gorgeous Intelligent amazing Precious prefect the Wolfy Way awoooooo 😮❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  10. I think it's because, at the end of the day, dogs instinctively look to humans for guidance on just about everything, and defer to them on questions of judgement. This is because they were bred to retain puppy traits into adulthood so they would perceive humans as their parents forever. So in any situation where dogs are grouped together and there is is a human in the picture, whatever hierarchy is established amongst them becomes the status quo UNTIL the human intervenes to adjust things. So the highest ranking dog is seen to be implicitly sanctioned as such by the overall parent of the group, which is the human. Wolves have not been altered in this manner, and so they don't look at humans as their parent once they reach adulthood – a partner, a friend, a powerful ally, yes – but not daddy or mommy. This is likely why wolves are more intelligent and adept at problem solving than dogs – they need to be to survive. Dogs need to defer to humans to survive, and so they do.

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